It has been troubling me for a while this: There is on the Internet a cult of the 'True gamer'.
For example, you are no-one, you are lower than a worm, if you have not played Radiant Silver Gun. Or indeed Okami, Shenmue, Ico, Mario anything, Sonic anything 2D. These are games for the truly enlightened. If you have played these, you are a god amongst (gaming) men/
Then there are dirty games. What strikes me about these games is that they are they are easy to play, and more often than not, actually fun. There crime? They are as common as dog muck and sold well, but, never, ever confess to having played them, or having enjoyed them. It's (Internet) social suicide.
So, if you ever enjoyed a Fifa -- if you don't know by now, you are scum. Ditto for Need for Speed. In fact anything from EA. Except maybe an RTS. Loving any Namco game makes you pariah. That includes Ridge Racer, Tekken and Time Crisis. Despite their popularity.
Then it gets weird. To say you like RE4 is OK, just not RE1. You can't hate Sega Rally, but you can't love Virtua Cop.
So it seems simple right. People like deep involving games. So, what's all this c**p about casual games?
I hate the Internet.
Cult classics - that were actually rubbish.
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no idea but out of the games you mentioned ive only played the Mario anything option, Fifa, Need for Speed 3do (none of the sequels)
as for namco ive only played the classic compilation cds
i played 10 min of the DC Halo game and i quit after the horrid loading times
i for one dont follow the masses, if its really popular chances are i havent played it or watched it (like Godfather 1&2)
i love sega but i hated sonic anything
and EA was the shit back in the early to mid 90's
i have no interest in modern games from the Xbox/GC/PS2 forward
i havent played to many dirty games outside of the 3DO, and if i have to play them on my computer thats not gonna happen except for the occasional flash game
the answer to your question is probably that there is WAY to many people with internet access
as for namco ive only played the classic compilation cds
i played 10 min of the DC Halo game and i quit after the horrid loading times
i for one dont follow the masses, if its really popular chances are i havent played it or watched it (like Godfather 1&2)
i love sega but i hated sonic anything
and EA was the shit back in the early to mid 90's
i have no interest in modern games from the Xbox/GC/PS2 forward
i havent played to many dirty games outside of the 3DO, and if i have to play them on my computer thats not gonna happen except for the occasional flash game
the answer to your question is probably that there is WAY to many people with internet access
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Villagephotos is dead, need to find my old pics and find another host
Villagephotos is dead, need to find my old pics and find another host
And thank goodness for that! I've played enough dark & dreary post-apocolyptic drama bloodfests to last me a lifetime! (how can anyone not love Mario or Zelda w/out having a 2x4 wedged where the sun doesn't shine?Nintendo are just too damned cheerful.
)Seriously, I can't let the look of games discourage me from playing them. I can only imagine how many classics I would have missed ...
P.S. Bub & Bob from Puzzle Bobble are calling you out on hypocrisy 3DOKid
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Straight puzzle games are different. I actually avoid Puzzle Bobble. I can't play it. I get obsessed way too easy. And Lemmings. Every Puzzle game on the 3DO too.
Maybe it's how I grew as a gamer. My route to today was this:
My memorable games / potted history:
1. Starwars arcade / Space invaders /
2. Pitfall II. (VCS 2600) Elite (Spectrum)
3. Beneath the something cloud. (Killing? Atari STe)
4. Dune (Atari Ste)
5. Dune II.
6. A whole bunch of arcades (Mostly Namco/Sega) Ridge, Daytona, Winning Lap, Drivers eyes, Time Crisis, Virtua Cop. My personal golden age of gaming.
7. 3DO stuff.
8. PSX stuff. Namco fighters and racers. Resident evil tomb raider.
9. PS2 stuff. Onimusha, Air Combat stuff,
10. PS3 Uncharted.
As you can see: single player adventures (Splintercell, MGS, etc.,) arcade machines and arcade racers. C&C series too and Wing Commander.
I had a N64, GC, Dreamcast and saturn but for me there wasn't really anything memorable. Golden Eye, Shenmue, some other odds and sods but nothing I'd stick my neck out for.
I never had a Snes or Megadrive. So that doesn't help. I don't get nostalgic for Nintendo or Sega IP.
Plus, Miyamoto has always rubbed me up the wrong way. I used to like Howard Lincoln (Nintendo USA?) Ken Kutagari, etc., they have personalities but Miyamoto is such a pussy. Frankly. I'm sure he is a great guy, and I don't doubt he's clever and passionate.
but...
That whole "Itsa me MARIO!" always makes me say: "Yeah? So? Go f**k yourself" the whole insipid cuteness of it, for irrational reasons, brings out the worst in me.
I imagine my bigoted views have meant I have never played some great games - but on the upside, think of all the money I have saved!
Maybe it's how I grew as a gamer. My route to today was this:
My memorable games / potted history:
1. Starwars arcade / Space invaders /
2. Pitfall II. (VCS 2600) Elite (Spectrum)
3. Beneath the something cloud. (Killing? Atari STe)
4. Dune (Atari Ste)
5. Dune II.
6. A whole bunch of arcades (Mostly Namco/Sega) Ridge, Daytona, Winning Lap, Drivers eyes, Time Crisis, Virtua Cop. My personal golden age of gaming.
7. 3DO stuff.
8. PSX stuff. Namco fighters and racers. Resident evil tomb raider.
9. PS2 stuff. Onimusha, Air Combat stuff,
10. PS3 Uncharted.
As you can see: single player adventures (Splintercell, MGS, etc.,) arcade machines and arcade racers. C&C series too and Wing Commander.
I had a N64, GC, Dreamcast and saturn but for me there wasn't really anything memorable. Golden Eye, Shenmue, some other odds and sods but nothing I'd stick my neck out for.
I never had a Snes or Megadrive. So that doesn't help. I don't get nostalgic for Nintendo or Sega IP.
Plus, Miyamoto has always rubbed me up the wrong way. I used to like Howard Lincoln (Nintendo USA?) Ken Kutagari, etc., they have personalities but Miyamoto is such a pussy. Frankly. I'm sure he is a great guy, and I don't doubt he's clever and passionate.
but...
That whole "Itsa me MARIO!" always makes me say: "Yeah? So? Go f**k yourself" the whole insipid cuteness of it, for irrational reasons, brings out the worst in me.
I imagine my bigoted views have meant I have never played some great games - but on the upside, think of all the money I have saved!
I'd rather be broke & play some of the best games ever madeI imagine my bigoted views have meant I have never played some great games - but on the upside, think of all the money I have saved!
I actually think when it comes to gamers like us, we probably don't end up saving by avoiding a certain console or games. It just means we end up spending it elsewhere ... like on 3DO games.
One other nice thing about Nintendo, is that it gives younger gamers genuine entertainment. Most publishers ignore gamers from the mid teens down. Those that do make games for that group, usually put little effort into them. The same cannot be said about Nintendo.
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I can't stand Shigeru Miyamoto. His face is wrong. His smile is so... so... disgusting.3DOKid wrote:Plus, Miyamoto has always rubbed me up the wrong way. I used to like Howard Lincoln (Nintendo USA?) Ken Kutagari, etc., they have personalities but Miyamoto is such a pussy. Frankly. I'm sure he is a great guy, and I don't doubt he's clever and passionate.
It haunts me daily.
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Yes. We're right. I can't argue that he is talented. But he's also a nob. Sorry but it's true.
You see, I reckon, when old Shigeru pops-his-clogs and pushes-up-mushrooms to the next world, his mausoleum will be pastel pink, with a big flower and big bright sun next to it.
Now - I'm a peasant, so I won't get what I want, but what I want is an enormous imposing jet black solid onyx monolith of a gravestone, that's fitted with some gadget to scare... well, everyone. And it's permanently raining on it and there is a scary looking black crow that hangs around it all the time. And all the people that visit the cemetery complain about it, because, well, it just ruins the whole thing for everyone.
See? Me Shigeru Miyamoto are different people. Very different. That's why I can't play his games.
You see, I reckon, when old Shigeru pops-his-clogs and pushes-up-mushrooms to the next world, his mausoleum will be pastel pink, with a big flower and big bright sun next to it.
Now - I'm a peasant, so I won't get what I want, but what I want is an enormous imposing jet black solid onyx monolith of a gravestone, that's fitted with some gadget to scare... well, everyone. And it's permanently raining on it and there is a scary looking black crow that hangs around it all the time. And all the people that visit the cemetery complain about it, because, well, it just ruins the whole thing for everyone.
See? Me Shigeru Miyamoto are different people. Very different. That's why I can't play his games.
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Disclaimer: THis rant is not aimed at anyone. I love you all. That is all.
but...
Oh come-on. The internet games forums have rules: Here they are --
The unwritten rules:
#1. NFS is for chavs.
(A chav for those that don't know, is simply a new name for the lower part of the working class.
) NFS, despite IMHO, being pretty good since it's inception (with NFS2 and 3 begin rubbish) all later games have been enjoyable. NFS Carbon, NFS Under Ground, NFS Porsche Unleashed - I thoroughly enjoyed. I must be common.
Highbrow Internet forumites do love to sit around feeling superior. So who better to sit around feeling superior about than poor people, who in turn sit about wearing cheap clothes and have cheap cars and don't speak using proper English.
Since there are a lot of these people, (chavs) they must be ones putting NFS in the top 10 every christmas, because we sophisticated players only play Ico, Okami and Nights into Dreams. because we are educated and they, the common folk, are not. (I am being facteous)
#2 RE1 is always crap.
Despite selling in the millions and being one of the most anticipated and played games on the PS1(and Saturn) for some reason nobody, ever, seems to own to liking it. The controls were rubbish, the camera was rubbish, the script was rubbish... despite it being a brilliant game.
#3 Sega can do no wrong but we don't know why.
The entire Sega arcade collection, despite Sega being held aloft, is completely ignored. Sega, IMHO, was in it's prime, not on the consoles but with Virtua Cop, Virtua Cop 2, (Virtua Cop 3 is brilliant, rare, but brilliant) Virtua Fighter series, House of the Dead series. Sega Rally 1 and 2 was OK as well. Now the real test is going onto a public board and saying how much you loved Sega. And there will be a murmour of approval. Then, go on to any board and say Daytona was rubbish because the handling was rubbish. Ditto for Virtua Racing. You'll be linched and beaten.
It goes on.
Some other Sega rants: Firstly, Sega DC and it's Japanese imports. Now read this for a heresey. Ikuraga is awesome to look at. It is beautiful. I agree. But it plays like a pooh-covered-stick because the Dreamcasts controller is dreadful. It is. And it's damned hard.
And, while I'm ranting ( ) bits of Shenmue were indeed boring. I liked it, but they were.
AND! Nights into Dreams is not only confusing, but it's also rubbish. And boring. People raved on about this game, and I tried, oh how I tried, but I don't get it. It's just a 2D game (like Sonic the Hedgehog in many respects) tarted up to look like a 3D one. What did I miss?
The PS2 didn't kill the Dreamcast. Sony did not wander round to Sega's HQ, holding axes and maces and spears and murder everyone in Sega's R&D department. They didn't. SEGA KILLED THE DREAMCAST (FFS)
Sega thought back in 2001... hmmm, everyone loves Sonic (except 3DOkid) and Virtua Fighter and Sega Rally and Sega stuff, and now Sony will sell a billion of these PS2 things and we will sell due to lack of a DVD drive, half a billion of these DC things. Now, MS are thinking of joining the fight and Nintendo are just about there. Why don't we, Sega, not make hardware, because it expensive, and has low profit margins, and has all sorts of distribution difficulties, and just make multi-platform games? Software is easy to distribute, easy to port, and has high profit margins!
We could be TEH RICH! First-things-first, let's ditch the DC so we are not competeing with the people we are trying to sell too. Sony, MS, Nintendo and go from there...
Does that not make more sense than the Sony killed the DC scenario? If I'm lying I'm dying.
#4 Nintendo is innovative.
Maybe so. But the practice of re-purposing old hardware and selling it in innovatve ways isn't. And that is what the Wii is. Now - I was born an engineer, and moved to sales, but my heart is always an engineer. So - I love Nintendo the company that doesn't include Miyamoto or indeed his games. I prefered the salty old Japanese git who ran the show for all thse years. I admire the fact thay bolstered the GameCube and flogged it something new. I love the way they sold it too my granny, my mum, my dad and my brother. I just don't like a single (Paper mario 2 excused) Nintendo game.
The happy-clappy games make me sick. Having given it a great deal of thought, I like grey stone in my games. I do.
Casual games isn't new either -- 3DO did it in 1993 and Sony did it in 2000.
#5. Sony, never, ever, did any good. Walkman aside and Trinitron TVs aside. Every Sony format fails. Every attempt by Sony to set an industry standard fails. Like UMD, like Betamax. Unlike the 3.5inch floppy disc, unlike the CD, unlike Bluray which Sony also did. Doh!
Philips, Matsushita, Toshiba, MS and Sony know there is value in standards. There is money in them. They all do it. And when one fails, they try with another. It's not evil, it's not sinister, it's the way it is.
Sony games are arrogant liars. Probably true. At a certain level. With certain people within the organisation. Not the whole company which is comprised of tens of thousands of people. Public Relations people talk rubbish. For all companies. Because 9 times out of 10, they haven't been told or do not know what they are saying. This is a fact of life.
Also, interesting fact, Nintendo used to be the evil game world overlords, conveniently forgotten now the world has changed sides. But it used to Nintendo lawyers attempting to destroy companies (DATEL?) controlling distribution, and forcing us all with their standards and crippling the game making industry. That was the accusations squared at Nintendo cartridge fixation was it not?
Morning...
but...
Oh come-on. The internet games forums have rules: Here they are --
The unwritten rules:
#1. NFS is for chavs.
(A chav for those that don't know, is simply a new name for the lower part of the working class.
) NFS, despite IMHO, being pretty good since it's inception (with NFS2 and 3 begin rubbish) all later games have been enjoyable. NFS Carbon, NFS Under Ground, NFS Porsche Unleashed - I thoroughly enjoyed. I must be common. Highbrow Internet forumites do love to sit around feeling superior. So who better to sit around feeling superior about than poor people, who in turn sit about wearing cheap clothes and have cheap cars and don't speak using proper English.
Since there are a lot of these people, (chavs) they must be ones putting NFS in the top 10 every christmas, because we sophisticated players only play Ico, Okami and Nights into Dreams. because we are educated and they, the common folk, are not. (I am being facteous)
#2 RE1 is always crap.
Despite selling in the millions and being one of the most anticipated and played games on the PS1(and Saturn) for some reason nobody, ever, seems to own to liking it. The controls were rubbish, the camera was rubbish, the script was rubbish... despite it being a brilliant game.
#3 Sega can do no wrong but we don't know why.
The entire Sega arcade collection, despite Sega being held aloft, is completely ignored. Sega, IMHO, was in it's prime, not on the consoles but with Virtua Cop, Virtua Cop 2, (Virtua Cop 3 is brilliant, rare, but brilliant) Virtua Fighter series, House of the Dead series. Sega Rally 1 and 2 was OK as well. Now the real test is going onto a public board and saying how much you loved Sega. And there will be a murmour of approval. Then, go on to any board and say Daytona was rubbish because the handling was rubbish. Ditto for Virtua Racing. You'll be linched and beaten.
It goes on.
Some other Sega rants: Firstly, Sega DC and it's Japanese imports. Now read this for a heresey. Ikuraga is awesome to look at. It is beautiful. I agree. But it plays like a pooh-covered-stick because the Dreamcasts controller is dreadful. It is. And it's damned hard.
And, while I'm ranting (
) bits of Shenmue were indeed boring. I liked it, but they were. AND! Nights into Dreams is not only confusing, but it's also rubbish. And boring. People raved on about this game, and I tried, oh how I tried, but I don't get it. It's just a 2D game (like Sonic the Hedgehog in many respects) tarted up to look like a 3D one. What did I miss?
The PS2 didn't kill the Dreamcast. Sony did not wander round to Sega's HQ, holding axes and maces and spears and murder everyone in Sega's R&D department. They didn't. SEGA KILLED THE DREAMCAST (FFS)
Sega thought back in 2001... hmmm, everyone loves Sonic (except 3DOkid) and Virtua Fighter and Sega Rally and Sega stuff, and now Sony will sell a billion of these PS2 things and we will sell due to lack of a DVD drive, half a billion of these DC things. Now, MS are thinking of joining the fight and Nintendo are just about there. Why don't we, Sega, not make hardware, because it expensive, and has low profit margins, and has all sorts of distribution difficulties, and just make multi-platform games? Software is easy to distribute, easy to port, and has high profit margins!
We could be TEH RICH! First-things-first, let's ditch the DC so we are not competeing with the people we are trying to sell too. Sony, MS, Nintendo and go from there...
Does that not make more sense than the Sony killed the DC scenario? If I'm lying I'm dying.
#4 Nintendo is innovative.
Maybe so. But the practice of re-purposing old hardware and selling it in innovatve ways isn't. And that is what the Wii is. Now - I was born an engineer, and moved to sales, but my heart is always an engineer. So - I love Nintendo the company that doesn't include Miyamoto or indeed his games. I prefered the salty old Japanese git who ran the show for all thse years. I admire the fact thay bolstered the GameCube and flogged it something new. I love the way they sold it too my granny, my mum, my dad and my brother. I just don't like a single (Paper mario 2 excused) Nintendo game.
The happy-clappy games make me sick. Having given it a great deal of thought, I like grey stone in my games. I do.
Casual games isn't new either -- 3DO did it in 1993 and Sony did it in 2000.
#5. Sony, never, ever, did any good. Walkman aside and Trinitron TVs aside. Every Sony format fails. Every attempt by Sony to set an industry standard fails. Like UMD, like Betamax. Unlike the 3.5inch floppy disc, unlike the CD, unlike Bluray which Sony also did. Doh!
Philips, Matsushita, Toshiba, MS and Sony know there is value in standards. There is money in them. They all do it. And when one fails, they try with another. It's not evil, it's not sinister, it's the way it is.
Sony games are arrogant liars. Probably true. At a certain level. With certain people within the organisation. Not the whole company which is comprised of tens of thousands of people. Public Relations people talk rubbish. For all companies. Because 9 times out of 10, they haven't been told or do not know what they are saying. This is a fact of life.
Also, interesting fact, Nintendo used to be the evil game world overlords, conveniently forgotten now the world has changed sides. But it used to Nintendo lawyers attempting to destroy companies (DATEL?) controlling distribution, and forcing us all with their standards and crippling the game making industry. That was the accusations squared at Nintendo cartridge fixation was it not?
Morning...
You didn't miss anything ... that is exactly what Nights into Dreams is.AND! Nights into Dreams is not only confusing, but it's also rubbish. And boring. People raved on about this game, and I tried, oh how I tried, but I don't get it. It's just a 2D game (like Sonic the Hedgehog in many respects) tarted up to look like a 3D one. What did I miss?
That is also one of the big reasons why so many (myself included) love it!
Afternoon ...
SPORE - Maybe it's not a Classic -yet.
But I hate the game and the developers for releasing a fullprice spyware program. It wants you to be online every 10 -14 days and it is only possible to install it three times. It has also the online activating system as halflife 2 (the reason why I only bought it for XBox).
the worst thing is, that all next-gen consoles will go the same way, but their games
are even worse - like the "goodfeeling-pink-girlfriends-childrens-hyterical-fitness" "games" released for Wii.
but, the people accept it. they want to be like glass. it's like it was said in Killer7: the world is getting smaller, you can control it with your hand, just like a PDA.
But I hate the game and the developers for releasing a fullprice spyware program. It wants you to be online every 10 -14 days and it is only possible to install it three times. It has also the online activating system as halflife 2 (the reason why I only bought it for XBox).
the worst thing is, that all next-gen consoles will go the same way, but their games
are even worse - like the "goodfeeling-pink-girlfriends-childrens-hyterical-fitness" "games" released for Wii.
but, the people accept it. they want to be like glass. it's like it was said in Killer7: the world is getting smaller, you can control it with your hand, just like a PDA.